Title says it all, anyone recommend a UK service provider that allows CID spoofing? or do they all?
i hope there aren’t any UK-based providers that offer CID spoofing. i use an ITSP that allows me to set my outgoing CID to any of a range that i can either prove i have assigned to me via another telco, or a range that i “bought” from them.
arbitrary setting of CID should be banned, there’s no good case for it.
Hi BB,
CID spoofing is not illegal, so why do you hope no UK supplier provides it? After all your internet connection could be used for child pornography. so why do we still allow you one? I hope you’re not suggesting that we (the general public) should canvas the government to stop you having access to the internet? Or are you being presumptuous about how I want to use it and even slanderous?
Thx
[quote=“scarr”]Hi BB,
CID spoofing is not illegal, so why do you hope no UK supplier provides it? After all your internet connection could be used for child pornography. so why do we still allow you one? I hope you’re not suggesting that we (the general public) should canvas the government to stop you having access to the internet? Or are you being presumptuous about how I want to use it and even slanderous? [/quote]
so state your case for it then ? and stop the “slander” crap, a common misconception when people understand neither. try here : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel
spoofing might not itself be illegal (yet, OFCOM are looking at it), but there’s not real need for it … and “jokes” don’t count. my example of setting CID to a number you are known to use/can prove you have, is valid, but would not be called spoofing.
and just to top this off, the process is called lobbying, not canvassing !
If you mean along the lines of CID showing say an 0870 number as opposed to the geographical number then voiptalk certainly do this with an iax trunk.
[quote=“baconbuttie”][quote=“scarr”]Hi BB,
CID spoofing is not illegal, so why do you hope no UK supplier provides it? After all your internet connection could be used for child pornography. so why do we still allow you one? I hope you’re not suggesting that we (the general public) should canvas the government to stop you having access to the internet? Or are you being presumptuous about how I want to use it and even slanderous? [/quote]
so state your case for it then ? and stop the “slander” crap, a common misconception when people understand neither. try here : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel
spoofing might not itself be illegal (yet, OFCOM are looking at it), but there’s not real need for it … and “jokes” don’t count. my example of setting CID to a number you are known to use/can prove you have, is valid, but would not be called spoofing.
and just to top this off, the process is called lobbying, not canvassing ![/quote]
I did start to write a long reply tearing you and your post to pieces, but then I thought why waste my time on you and thought I would simply say “shut up you unhelpful idiot”.
P.S. Thanks DigitalDaz, that?s what I was looking for. Thank god for normal people 
[quote=“baconbuttie”][quote=“scarr”]Hi BB,
CID spoofing is not illegal, so why do you hope no UK supplier provides it? After all your internet connection could be used for child pornography. so why do we still allow you one? I hope you’re not suggesting that we (the general public) should canvas the government to stop you having access to the internet? Or are you being presumptuous about how I want to use it and even slanderous? [/quote]
so state your case for it then ? and stop the “slander” crap, a common misconception when people understand neither. try here : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel
spoofing might not itself be illegal (yet, OFCOM are looking at it), but there’s not real need for it … and “jokes” don’t count. my example of setting CID to a number you are known to use/can prove you have, is valid, but would not be called spoofing.
and just to top this off, the process is called lobbying, not canvassing ![/quote]
I did start to write a long reply tearing you and your post to pieces, but then I thought, why waste my time on you and thought I would simply say, shut up you unhelpful idiot.
P.S. Thanks DigitalDaz, that?s what I was looking for. Thank god for normal people.
[quote=“baconbuttie”][quote=“scarr”]Hi BB,
CID spoofing is not illegal, so why do you hope no UK supplier provides it? After all your internet connection could be used for child pornography. so why do we still allow you one? I hope you’re not suggesting that we (the general public) should canvas the government to stop you having access to the internet? Or are you being presumptuous about how I want to use it and even slanderous? [/quote]
so state your case for it then ? and stop the “slander” crap, a common misconception when people understand neither. try here : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel
spoofing might not itself be illegal (yet, OFCOM are looking at it), but there’s not real need for it … and “jokes” don’t count. my example of setting CID to a number you are known to use/can prove you have, is valid, but would not be called spoofing.
and just to top this off, the process is called lobbying, not canvassing ![/quote]
I did start to write a long reply tearing you and your post to pieces, but then I thought, why waste my time on you and thought I would simply say, shut up you unhelpful idiot.
P.S. Thanks DigitalDaz, that?s what I was looking for. Thank god for normal people.
diddums, did i upset you that much ?
No 1. - Sometimes you just want to remain anonymous.
No. 2. - Sometimes I call a competing business in search of information and don’t want them to know who I really am.
No. 3 - You don’t want your girlfriend to know you’re at home or where ever else you might be calling from.
No. 4 - And why I first got started with * in the 1st place is to have control over my own information, not leave it up to the telcos.
Not everyone is a pedophile or pervert looking to hide one’s identifty and up to no good or illegal activity. Sometimes you just don’t want the callee to know where or who you are.
1-4 covered by witholding CID. spoofing, presenting a CID to deceive the callee as to the origin of the call, is a different matter.
someone give me a valid case for spoofing ? i’m not talking about running a cold-call campaign using CID for the customer, that’s not spoofing. using CID to attempt unauthorised access to VM systems (a la Paris Hilton … allegedly) is.
the OP wasn’t specific in his/her need for spoofing, and i don’t care. i still think it should be illegal and i’m glad that my ITSP has taken the steps to make sure it can’t be abused.
Bacon, I quite agree. Withholding information is not lying and is the most appropriate course of action in virtually all cases.
As to a scenario for valid spoofing, it is not difficult to imagine one. Mr X has his wife and son at knifepoint barricaded in his house and will only talk to his good friend the Very Rev. Dr. Y and will not pick up the phone until he sees the CID. Problem is that he is at the Police Station in XX and if he calls from there Mr X will not pick up. So the police spoof the CID and all is quietly resolved.
In this case allowing the authorities to spoof is like giving them the authority to use firearms to resolve a situation. A dangerous tool that we do not give to everybody.
I am not a lawyer, but I wonder if CDR records from asterisk will be used one day in a court of law to establish misrepresentation? You could enter into a contract on the basis of the identity spoofed, and have the contract voided with damages based on that evidence. I think I would be very careful before spoofing anybody. They might be keeping records. Unless we have controls on spoofing it might become impossible to do business over the phone.
First sorry for all the posts, it kept saying ERROR so I kept trying 
Now, I am anonymous on here as you are, should you be allowed to know who I am before you reply? should I even be allowed to post without a name and address? is there any justification to be called BaconButtie or anything else you want, NO, NO I say, we should all have a ID and wherever and whoever wants to identify us should be able to, up the GESTAPO I say
P.S. If your so against hiding things please reveal you full name, address and car registration on this forum. On a final note I love the small dress you wear when nobody is looking
[quote=“scarr”]First sorry for all the posts, it kept saying ERROR so I kept trying [/quote]you called me an “unhelpful idiot” … perhaps a php forum application knew different ??
[quote=“scarr”]Now, I am anonymous on here as you are, should you be allowed to know who I am before you reply? should I even be allowed to post without a name and address? is there any justification to be called BaconButtie or anything else you want, NO, NO I say, we should all have a ID and wherever and whoever wants to identify us should be able to, up the GESTAPO I say[/quote] you’re very unlikely to be anonymous on the 'net … if you’re in the UK you know about RIP right ? and the never-ending stream of “anti-terrorist measures” the government are introducing ?
i actually value my privacy and take measures to protect it. CID spoofing using an arbitrary number is not protecting privacy, it’s deceiving others as to your call’s origin.
[quote=“scarr”]P.S. If your so against hiding things please reveal you full name, address and car registration on this forum.[/quote] 1. i don’t need to, it’s easily available to anyone with an ounce of brain matter.
2. i could post anything here, but if false that would be spoofing it … still wrong.
[quote=“scarr”]On a final note I love the small dress you wear when nobody is looking [/quote]now, that could be construed as libel or defamation. however, i agree, i do look good in a dress.
I wanted to use CID spoofing for forwarding calls through asterisk. When I forward a call it looks like it’s coming from my DID. So someone answering would expect me but it would instead be somone else at a completely different number.
Good reason for spoofing…
A call center or answer service that needs to make calls on behalf of their client to a customer. By spoofing the CSR can appear as if they are part of the client’s office.
[quote=“baconbuttie”]someone give me a valid case for spoofing ? i’m not talking about running a cold-call campaign using CID for the customer, that’s not spoofing. using CID to attempt unauthorised access to VM systems (a la Paris Hilton … allegedly) is.
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did you not read the thread ?